Chapter 4-Page-03-Strategy
Jul25
A couple of the girls aren’t going to let go the weight advantage that Black Widow has. Yikes. To be fair, it IS a big deal when you give up 10-20+ pounds in a fight.
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Voting Incentive!
Sabrina’s putting in work! Vote to see what’s coming up on Friday!
Kaci is a miserable Lanc so-and-so, but she’s got a good head on her shoulders (when she bothers to pull it out of her arse.) And Sabrina hasn’t exactly had the best record against larger wrestlers. Her only loss in RA was to Kat Smith.
Really, imparting any strategy beyond “hurl yourself at your opponent at high velocity” couldn’t hurt for giving Sabrina some rounding to her game.
Very true, but will this training and strategy stick with Sabrina, or will she abandon it early (or later) on?
lolz..
Sabrina has to remember..
Blackwidow fought Brenda many times, so locks are kinda easy.. and Brenda has more strength than Sabrina, also blackwidow..
remember Katherine VS Sabrina..
Sabrina’s lock made her downfall..
sidenote
Kaci used “cow”
Kaci and Chloe are friends..
I think… Kaci is sabotaging it..
hahahaha!!
I guarantee that using the word ‘cow’ isn’t just a Chloe thing. XD
So…are you saying that depending on how this match goes for Sabrina, it will be an indication for how a match with Brenda would go?
It wasn’t a joint lock that won the match for Brenda…
And I can see Black Widow taking to her feet, along with Sabrina hanging on in this hold, then slinging her blonde ass across the mat.
Good point about the lift and slam, Mo. BW did that to me once. She wasn’t as hurt and set up as I thought. And I’ve got a few pound on Brina too.
I think Sabrina will be watching all the tape she can on Bitsy (see next update) but really, Sabrina needs to fight her own game. Out-powering Bitsy isn’t a good idea.
Joint-work is good, but I’d aim for the legs, not the arms. If she can’t stand up, she can’t do many power moves. When she’s flat out on her back and clutching her knee… THEN you jump on her from a height! 😀
Going for the legs is a good idea. Doing it with submission techniques against a much larger opponent is suicide.
Some Muay Thai leg kicks then? 😉
Muay Thai leg kicks are too close range. I enjoy it when my opponents try them, because it puts them in my optimal range, and I’m usually the shorter guy. Something safer and more appropriate for Sabrina would be low drop kicks.
As far as joint-work is concerned, I would use either Purple Kush or Canadian BC. Those two will knock you out after the first hit… er… or so I’ve heard…
I hate to say it, but MGC may be on to something. (Normally, I just think he’s on something.) Not with the Chloe thing, obviously, but the possibility of sabotage.
Krystin Moline gave great advice for dealing with a bigger, stronger opponent. Hit hard and fast, and don’t let them get their hands on you. Kaci Alexander thinks it’s a good idea to get in close and use submissions, because… Widow won’t expect it. Well, she wouldn’t expect you to oink like a pig and roll around on the mat peeing yourself either, but I don’t think you should integrate THAT into your strategy, Sabrina.
If you want to grapple with somebody and expect to come out ahead more often than not, you should be, in order of preference, 1) bigger, 2) stronger, or 3) ridiculously more skilled and experienced. Sabrina, you’re not as big or strong as Black Widow, and she’s been in the business longer. Now is not the time to be learning new submissions to try on her. Just… no. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either dumb, or not trying to help you.
Stick to the “hurl yourself at high velocity” strategy. It’s the best one all around anyway, and you’re not trying to revolutionize your fighting style on a time limit before a big match.
The Dragon Man is doubting Sabrina’s abilities? I thought she had shown us that experience means nothing in Rival Angels when she made her meteoric rise to the top while showing the entire roster to be nothing more than a bunch of slapnuts. As for size and strength, she is the one that forced Katherine Smith to resort to you know what while the ref’s back was turned (stupid refs, always turning their backs to you) after her power and numbers weren’t enough to beat Sabrina.
Then again, this is Japan, this is the BRA division of the MWA and for some reason, Black Widow is not perceived to be what she really is: a one-dimensional, washed up heel character with a generic gimmick. And isn’t today’s comic showing Sabrina *gasp* trying to become a better wrestler? Just like I’ve been saying for some time? Yet the Dragon Man wants to keep Sabrina as the fusion of Jeff Hardy and Rob Van Dam? Sounds like Japan is the place to be to step one’s game up or add some hype to one’s boring self. Maybe if they send the Catgirls–nah, they’ll never be taken seriously. Plus, they’d be stuck in Akihabara for months.
Sabrina is the literal and figurative underdog here, and it’s not new for her. Sabrina will have some input here to. She’s not a stranger to submissions moves, from either side. It’s also safe to say that Sabrina has never fought someone the size and talent of Black Widow either, so there’s definitely an unknown quality. We haven’t seen any focus on her high-flying, but can you imagine a Sabrina match where she doesn’t? I’m not sayin if she is or isn’t, but it’s a pretty good rhetorical question. 😉
She’s not a stranger to them, but you really need to be the vastly more experienced one if you’re trying to land submissions on a bigger, stronger opponent. Otherwise you’re putting yourself in a very bad situation.
High-flying or more direct, the best solution, just like always, is to apply blunt force trauma repeatedly until you win.
This is why you and Sabrina get along so well…
The weird thing is, I’m a really good grappler. I just consider it play-time. Grappling techniques might or might not work out in your favor. If they work, great, they can be really effective, but if not, you just wasted energy on something that’s not going to help you win, and that’s called “losing.” Don’t have to worry about that with striking, if you’re doing it right.
Go for the bewb gram Shamrox! She will never suspect the most electrifying move in sports… entertainment: The Purple Nurple!
Listen well Sabrina, once you snatch *snicker* the bewb from out of my hand, it will be time for you to leave… the training session.
It’s really hard to tell if Cocoa would enjoy that or not. Certainly, I think, Ian might be able to get away with it. 😉
I have to say Is there a certain weight limit when it comes to wrestling ? 🙁
I’m asking because I didn’t know about this since all I see a variety of wrestlers in different weight classes.
There are no weight limits in any style of wrestling. You’ll find 220lbs women doing freestyle and 90 lb juniors. Most styles do compensate by setting up weight classes. The more people playing, the smaller the brackets can be. And that leads to interesting strategies with cutting weight or not. (For example I’m much stronger at 135 than a natural 135. But competition is often tougher there than 145.)
At any rate pro doesn’t have weight brackets.
That 90 lb girl was never the same after you wrestled her.
Sometimes? WCW and WWF had a lightweight division, and in the MWA there is….Yoshi is the Lightweight champion, kind of like UFC/MMA. In the women’s division, BRA or Rival Angels, there are no weight classes (though I know they’d make for fun storylines. :P) So, we can easily see a match between someone like Sun against someone like Amanda Breaker.
Weight classes exist more in martial arts, specifically competitive martial arts exhibitions that exist within a particular style of combat, or even boxing. The rules are as such where they do tend to favor larger opponents because people are trained the same way. They may have different levels of fitness, strength, toughness, speed, but the training is same. Weight classes are the equalizer of sorts.
In a freestyle sport like wrestling, weight classes aren’t as strict, or perhaps even seen as necessary in some promotions, because the expectation is that for whatever your size and ability, you would be presumed to work a style that covers your capabilities in the ring. You as the individual would be expected to know how to defend yourself against opponents of varying size. The rules reflect this, allowing for a lot of things that would not be permitted in competitive martial arts.
This post makes very little sense to me. What I understand is simply wrong. Sorry but I gotta call it.
Take boxing, for instance. The rules and forms for pro boxing are all about the same. Hit above the belt, no biting or headbutts, don’t clinch. So, they have weight classes (like 15 or so of them) because you don’t want to throw a 6’9″ 280 lb. fighter in there against a 5’3″ 120 lb. fighter. The bigger fighter has the advantage not only of having a longer reach, but a much higher hitbox, and in order to get in close to hit body blows, that smaller fighter would have to get into prime position for the taller fighter to just swat at their head. There’s also no ability to run the ropes or go for a flying move off of the top — boxing isn’t about that.
In professional wrestling? The smaller person can go for the legs, crawl around, kill the clock by heading outside the ring, fly to their hearts’ content… so you might still get that booking. Not all the time, but it can and does happen in pro wrestling, whereas if it ever happened in a legitimate boxing promotion, it would raise no end of questions over the promoter’s competency. But in pro wrestling the smaller person is not hampered by a strict set of rules that disadvantage them in a particular fight by forcing them to fight in a style, using specific moves and angles of attack that favor the bigger person.
That’s all I’m saying, really. Not sure where that goes wrong, but if I am wrong then tell me where and how so that I can learn from it.
Weight classes depend on the fed and usually they are just fictional. No fed I know of has divisions for women. Any gal from 90lbs up to over 300lbs go at in the same ring.
But even in the men’s, a Cruiserweight guy will still often face a Heavyweight guy and the line is kinda’ fuzzy.
its kinda terrifying to watch this and knowing that women actual do there kinda things
I’m almost afraid to ask, but why is that terrifying?
why isn’t it terrifying too you? I know I dont want to be found onthe wrong end of these loadies or any ladies wrath
RESPECT! 😛
Let’s remember Brina has a few submission moves in her closet – and pretty fancy ones at that. Were I her I’d try for a few just to keep BW guessing and maybe a tad hesitant. Brina will need to win the head game before she can win this match.
BW will certainly be expecting the “hurling yourself” strategy from Sabrina, and will just as certainly have a counter-plan in mind, (at a guess: take the few hits the quicker girl can land early on, wait for an opportunity to turn the tables, then drop her on her head a few times), and BW’s used to fighting smaller opponents, (how much did you bribe Al into drawing you as one, Bren?) so going in with something other than that is really a necessity.
Pffft! That’s all me and all of me, cailleach!
Well said. That’s why we call you ‘Champ.’ 😉
Cocoa should really make sure to show Brina plenty of locks that work on the legs. Even if they don’t get the tap out, they’ll sure as sugar make it harder for Widow to move around the ring, and Sabrina’s speed advantage will make it even harder for Widow to get any offense in. Not to mention leg submissions are really hard to counter in to slams.
The problem with going for leg submissions against a power wrestler is that 1) you’ve got to get them on the ground, easier said then done, and 2) legs are stronger than arms.
BW’s got (relatively) weak calves and ankles. The calf crush/double toe hold could work. Heel hook could work but not if she’s wearing those mud stomping boots. Her feet are almost big as yours. And Dayammmm!
My feet are slender and gorgeous. They just feel big to you because you’ve had your arse kicked by them so much!
Like Callie said, you gotta get them on the ground, which is no mean feat. However, you can bet that Cocoa is looking to school a few leg submissions into Sabrina before the big fight.
But if Sabrina can get BW off her feet and inflict some damage to her wheels, she’ll be looking pretty good.
That’s where Brina’s speed comes in to play. Basement Dropkicks, chop blocks… the shins and knee hav very little protection in the way of both fat and muscle.
Donny and I are thinking alike again.
Does ‘Brina want to win?
…
This is a trick question, yes?
I’ll bite 😀
It’s how you win half your matches.
You know Sabrina. 😉
Good luck at Otakon this weekend, my friend. Say hi to everyone for me!
Thanks man! Will do.
Well, in a fight between larger and smaller opponents, the smaller opponent is actually more likely to strike first, because they don’t want to be too passive and get overwhelmed as a result. Black Widow, probably being the larger person in most fights she ever has, would probably expect this. In general, she’s likely not somebody who will chase down an opponent once they’re already face-to-face. But that’s going to have to be Sabrina’s main strategy. Sabrina, of course, has nothing but time, and the “throw self at opponent” strategy works better when they can’t see it coming in time to react to it. Trying to bait Black Widow into coming after her and committing to an avoidable attack would allow Sabrina to pick her spots the best. This is normally how much smaller fighters can take down larger ones.
Of course, there’s the possibility that Black Widow will be expecting that and not give chase, in which case Sabrina has to work to her advantages: she’s smaller, faster, and more flexible and slippery. Getting underneath Black Widow’s center of gravity will be key, as Widow is experienced but doesn’t appear to be much of a schooled kicker. Staying low will make it easier for Sabrina to force Black Widow to throw all of her energy behind an attack just to try to make contact. Against a much stronger veteran, Sabrina has to trick Widow into making herself vulnerable. Widow has surely dealt with enough of a variety of opponents to have faced people as fast or varied in offense as Sabrina and still come out on top. So Sabrina probably isn’t going to surprise Widow in the moves that she does. It’d have to be more about taking advantage of openings, or surviving against all odds to make Widow careless about trying to take her down.
Kaci should know all of this.
If Kaci dosen’t know, Sabrina needs to get you in her corner, pronto! But she, and/or her crew will be trying to instill some of these very sound principles. It’s just a matter of whether or not it’s enough. It might not be Sabrina’s time, so to speak. O_o
Brina needs speed and aim low.
Short dropkicks to the thighs, sweeps, get a run of fast attacks to the legs like low roundhouses…
From a story standpoint, I’m not sure that ‘Brina’s going to win this one…she could lose it, decide to come back stronger, and finally triumph in a big match at the end of the season. Or I could be totally wrong. With me, it’s all about pacing.
After seeing voting incentive: Cues “Gonna Fly Now”…
Brina just needs to watch any non-squash small face vs. Big Show match- when they want to take the big fella down they go after the legs with kicks (and if Show’s a face-chopblocks) to get him down to a knee which usually gets followed up by a DDT to put him down. once she’s down Brina can keep working the legs (someone should fetch Kurtrina Angle and teach her the ankle lock)- if BW’s legs are shot she can’t do much of anything to take advantage of her size as any power moves are weakened by the bad leg.
however gas molecule Brina may have trouble keeping her temper in check to stay on plan like in the Kat match and start trying to go showy for the fans- it’s in her blood.
Or she may see whatshisname that she likes brush against Cocoa accidently (on his part Cocoa would probably lean into it) while walking in opposite directions down the hall and spend the whole match wondering if the guy she likes that she hasn;t really told him that she likes really likes Cocoa even if cocoa said they weren;t dating already and hey what’s that big shadow… SPLAT! BW wins!
You sound like Cole now. You should do color commentary LoL
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Dude, press it for all it’s worth. LOL!
And very interesting observations… 😉
Did anyone else mention that jiu-jitsu was spelled wrong.
Whoops, it sure is. I’m glad I got you guys catching stuff like that before it goes to print, but it’s gotta wait until Monday, after I get back from Baltimore! 😛
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